{"id":24365,"date":"2018-12-05T04:22:55","date_gmt":"2018-12-05T04:22:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/qatar-news.org\/qatarnewsEn\/?p=24365"},"modified":"2018-12-05T04:22:55","modified_gmt":"2018-12-05T04:22:55","slug":"exclusive-the-pope-of-hope-egypts-tawadros-ii-on-status-of-copts-regional-politics-and-saudi-reforms","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/qatar-news.org\/qatarnewsEn\/?p=24365","title":{"rendered":"Exclusive: The Pope of Hope Egypt\u2019s Tawadros II on status of Copts, regional politics and Saudi reforms"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>Exclusive: The Pope of Hope Egypt\u2019s Tawadros II on status of Copts, regional politics and Saudi reforms<\/h2>\n<div itemprop=\"articleBody\" data-io-article-url=\"http:\/\/www.arabnews.com\/node\/1415701\/middle-east\" readability=\"253.140838803\">\n<p>\nCAIRO: It was July 21, 1969, and Neil Armstrong had just taken mankind\u2019s first steps on the moon. In Egypt, 16-year-old Wagih Subhi Baqi Sulayman was transfixed by the achievement. More in hope than in any expectation of a reply, he wrote to the US astronaut asking for an autograph.<\/p>\n<p>\nA few weeks later, to the young man\u2019s surprise, an envelope arrived containing a signed, color photo of the moon landing.<\/p>\n<p>\nNearly 50 years later, while the hair is a little more gray, Wagih\u2019s eyes remain very much on celestial matters. Of course, nobody refers to him by his birth name these days. For more than 100 million Egyptians, and to the rest of the world, he is now known as Tawadros II, the 118th Pope of Alexandria, Patriarch of the See of St. Mark and leader of the Coptic Orthodox Church of Alexandria.<\/p>\n<p>\nHe has, sadly, lost the moon landing photo \u2014 but never the memory of those days. With a soft voice and a gentle smile that lasted throughout our interview at St Mark\u2019s Cathedral in the Abbassia district of Cairo, he recalled obtaining Armstrong\u2019s address from a radio program on Voice of America that encouraged pen pals to write to him.<\/p>\n<div>\n<figure class=\"image\">\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" height=\"992\" src=\"http:\/\/www.arabnews.com\/sites\/default\/files\/2018\/12\/04\/1390221-1070208536.jpg\" width=\"1000\"><figcaption>\nPope Tawadros receives an Arab News cartoon commissioned in solidarity with Egyptians after a December 2016 attack on a church. The cartoon, by Mohammed Rayes, shows the word Cairo written using the C from a mosque\u2019s crescent and a cross from a church. In picture: Editor in Chief Faisal Abbas and Noor Nuqali, Riyadh correspondent (AN photo)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>\n\u201cI sent him a letter, telling him I would love to see a color photo of him on the moon, because the newspapers used to publish his photo in black and white. I was surprised when I received the envelope.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\nThe teenager had assumed that Armstrong was named after the Nile River. \u201cI was obsessed with his name. In the West, they are used to the name Neil. But here in Egypt no one would call his child Nile, although it is a beautiful name.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\nThe selection of Tawadros II as pope, a complex ritual, concluded in November 2012 and came at a difficult time for Egyptian Christians and the country in general. It was shortly after the collapse of the Mubarak presidency and coincided with the short-lived rule of the Muslim Brotherhood and the rise of Daesh.\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote readability=\"8\">\n<p>\n<strong>Our regions have been established with the existence of Christianity, Islam and Judaism.\u00a0The meetings that the crown prince and Saudi officials are holding are very beneficial to the nation and the Kingdom.\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"rteright\">\nPope Tawadros II<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\nTawadros leads nearly 15 million Copts in Egypt and a further 2 million abroad, according to the church\u2019s registry. They practice a form of Christianity established 2,000 years ago by St. Mark, and, like most Christians and minorities in the region, have endured persecution at various times in their history.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\nRecently, however, the persecution has become so widespread that the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov called for an effort to protect Christians in the Middle East. Pope Tawadros agrees the situation is alarming. \u201cEmptying the Middle East of Christians poses a great danger to stability and peace,\u201d he says. \u201cChristianity is deeply rooted in the Middle East.When all our countries were established, Christians and Muslims were there, as well as Jews in ancient history.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\nThe pope describes events in Syria and Iraq, with the rise of Daesh, as \u201cvery painful,\u201d and points out that Christians who had to flee and seek asylum abroad were among the most affected. However, his concerns extend beyond the plight of Christians alone, and he argues that a \u201cweakening of Arab countries\u201d means \u201cthe weakening of Arabs as a whole \u2026 Christians and Muslims alike.\u201d\u00a0<br \/><iframe loading=\"lazy\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/JhnQ3k0-9ec\" width=\"560\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>\nNevertheless, when it comes to his home country of Egypt, Tawadros is slightly more optimistic. \u201cIf you read through history, you will find that the Lebanese emigrated three centuries ago. However, the Christians in Egypt only started to emigrate 50 years ago, and that was due to the conditions that existed then.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\nUnder Muslim Brotherhood rule in 2012-2013, Tawadros says, \u201cChristians feared for their lives and fled the country. When the country regained its stability, a lot of them returned to Egypt. Christian emigration rates have dropped significantly.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\nDespite the pope\u2019s reassurances, many Copts are increasingly alarmed, their fear fueled by a surge in attacks on both them and their places of worship. Indeed, Egypt was highlighted as a country of concern in a report published this year by Open Doors, a US charity that supports persecuted Christians worldwide.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\nTawadros says that these attacks are painful, but insists that <a href=\"http:\/\/www.arabnews.com\/node\/1415816\/middle-east\" target=\"_blank\">their target is not Copts themselves or their churches, but \u201cEgyptian unity.\u201d\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\n\u201cTo be fair, these attacks also targeted the armed forces, the police, and our brothers and sisters in mosques. One year ago, a mosque in Al-Arish region in North Sinai was a target for a terrorist attack where many Egyptians died.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\nNevertheless, one attack in particular this year was unprecedented. The body of Bishop Anba Epiphanius, abbot of the Monastery of St. Macarius, 100 km northwest of Cairo, was found with a crushed skull in his monastic cell in July. Those accused of the murder are traditionalists of his own faith, and they await trial. The crime appears to be directed at Pope Tawadros\u2019 reformist, outward-looking and ecumenical policies.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" alt=\"\" height=\"490\" src=\"http:\/\/www.arabnews.com\/sites\/default\/files\/%5Byyyy%5D\/%5Bmm%5D\/%5Bdd%5D\/pope_169.gif\" width=\"870\"><\/p>\n<p>\nThe pope denies the existence of a split in the church and says life as normal carries on in all monasteries. Such a one-off crime may happen \u201cat any time and place,\u201d he says. \u201cEven between the disciples of Jesus, there was a disciple called Judas who sold his soul to evil. The authorities are now investigating this crime and we are waiting for the findings.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\nAs for Pope Tawadros\u2019 own political views, at first he resists my attempts to persuade him to reveal them. \u201cReligion should not interfere with politics,\u201d he insists. But this is the Middle East, and \u201ceven if religion doesn\u2019t want to interfere in politics, politics will interfere with religion,\u201d I persevere.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\n\u201cThe cause of crises in the world is this interference,\u201d he replies with a sigh.<\/p>\n<p>\nHowever, it would be a mistake to think that because the pope is reluctant to express his opinions, he does not have them. A year ago, he cancelled a meeting with US Vice President Mike Pence in protest at Washington\u2019s decision to move its embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. The church said that the US decision had failed to \u201ctake into consideration the feelings of millions of Arab people.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\nTawadros views Palestine as an \u201coccupied country,\u201d and hopes a \u201cspirit of understanding prevails\u201d between Israelis and Palestinians so that Jerusalem can be a capital for both states \u201cand peace reigns in the region.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\nLeading a minority in a highly politicized part of the world, Coptic popes have always been careful with their positions. For instance, Cyril VI, pope from 1959 until his death in 1971, banned Copts from going to Jerusalem for pilgrimage after the Israeli occupation of 1967. The ban remained even after Egypt and Israel signed their peace treaty in 1979, and officially still does.<\/p>\n<p>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/rECo7jIUGRM\" width=\"560\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>\n\u201cThe normalization \u2026 was between the Egyptian government and the Israeli government, but not between the two peoples,\u201d explains Tawadros. However, he argues that the ban has ended up harming the Coptic presence in the Holy Land, and the rules have been slightly relaxed to allow elders who have children living abroad to travel to Jerusalem.<\/p>\n<p>\nTawadros himself made a rare visit there in 2015, to lead the funeral prayers for Bishop Abraham, the Coptic Metropolitan Archbishop of Jerusalem and the Near East. He also visited the Vatican in 2013, the first visit of a Coptic pope in 40 years, and his last trip was in July this year. \u201cIt is a good relationship based on friendship and love with Pope Francis,\u201d he says. \u201cThere is a dialogue committee between us and the Vatican that meets annually.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\nMeanwhile, on a state visit to Egypt this year, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman invited Tawadros to the Kingdom, and all eyes are on when that visit might take place.<\/p>\n<p>\nTawadros found the crown prince \u201can open-minded person who has a modern vision to life, and this pleases us a lot. I personally follow all the positive developments that took place under the directives of King Salman, his crown prince and all Saudi officials, especially since Saudi Arabia is a main pillar of the Arab and the Islamic world, and on the international level as well.<\/p>\n<p>\n\u201cThe meetings that the crown prince and Saudi officials are holding on all levels, whether religious, political or cultural, are very beneficial to the nation and the Kingdom and contribute to human development. We hail and appreciate these efforts that encompass a lot of hope for our brothers in Saudi Arabia.<\/p>\n<p>\nSo when will Pope Tawadros visit the Kingdom? \u201cThere is no specific time for the visit, but it will take place when God wishes,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Exclusive: The Pope of Hope Egypt\u2019s Tawadros II on status of Copts, regional politics and Saudi reforms CAIRO: It was July 21, 1969, and Neil Armstrong had just taken mankind\u2019s first steps on the moon. In Egypt, 16-year-old Wagih Subhi Baqi Sulayman was transfixed by the achievement. 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